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Posted 8/2/2018 14:41
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Subject: Non - Wenger talking sense on diving


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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/08/arsene-wenger-arsen...

“Most of the time, when a player is going to the goalkeeper, they push the ball away from goal. They had a good rule in England when I arrived here. When the striker pushes the ball away from the goal, they didn’t give penalties because the only resource the striker has after is to look for a penalty.

“In many cases now, the guy goes and if the goalkeeper has their hands off, the striker leaves a leg as long as he can to make sure that the goalkeeper touches him. But that’s not really a penalty.”
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Posted 8/2/2018 15:37
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Firstly penalties should only be given if the player concerned or the team captain actually appeal, similar to cricket.

Falling over in the box should not immediately be a booking for diving, unless the player actually appeals.
There's times when you just fall over a player and that's all it is.


Over the years I've seen players just lose their balance and go down only to either be booked, or find they've got a penalty (you can usually tell by the massive grin).



There should be retrospective bans for diving.

A larger ban if a penalty is actually given but also a ban if a player dives and appeals for a penalty.
Often a player will go down and the ref doesn't think it's a penalty.
If after the event it's shown that the player was attempting, but failing, to con the ref he should still be punished.


Diving should be punished, falling over shouldn't




Edited by Ken Baileys Ghost 8/2/2018 15:39
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Posted 8/2/2018 15:43
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For the 21 plus years that Wenger has been in the game, he’s never talked sense.

Most of the time he claims that he “did not see the incident” when it involves one of his players taking the legs away from an opponent ………….. or something similar.

If what is in that article is accurately from him, then there will be a “what’s in it for me” caveat in there somewhere.



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Posted 8/2/2018 16:19
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For the 21 plus years that Wenger has been in the game, he’s never talked sense.

Most of the time he claims that he “did not see the incident” when it involves one of his players taking the legs away from an opponent ………….. or something similar.

If what is in that article is accurately from him, then there will be a “what’s in it for me” caveat in there somewhere.






Robert Pires was the biggest diver in the game at one time.

Remind me, who did he play for?
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Posted 8/2/2018 17:53
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Ken Baileys Ghost - 8/2/2018 15:37

Firstly penalties should only be given if the player concerned or the team captain actually appeal, similar to cricket.

Falling over in the box should not immediately be a booking for diving, unless the player actually appeals.
There's times when you just fall over a player and that's all it is.


Over the years I've seen players just lose their balance and go down only to either be booked, or find they've got a penalty (you can usually tell by the massive grin).



This makes a lot of sense as a player/team/manager will need to weigh up the risk before appealing making the risk/reward balance much better than present.


There should be retrospective bans for diving.

A larger ban if a penalty is actually given but also a ban if a player dives and appeals for a penalty.
Often a player will go down and the ref doesn't think it's a penalty.
If after the event it's shown that the player was attempting, but failing, to con the ref he should still be punished.

Diving should be punished, falling over shouldn't


Not sure that this is enforceable as it's way too open to opinion.

As for Wenger's point, it's definitely something I've noticed, The player has released the ball to the point where they (and no other player) can reach it and then direct their run across a challenge and take a tumble.
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