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Posted 26/12/2017 20:26
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Looked offside and handball. Francis red? Not so sure. What are the laws again? Violent conduct or... I forget. It would be hard to punish him as he was watching the ball the whole time. Not aware of their player stooping in
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Posted 26/12/2017 20:26
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From my viewpoint Franno's looked a yellow...non intentional and not stupidly high.

Like the ref, the people who go don't have 5 angles ...if we want to go down that route expect numerous sending offs and the end of the game we all know and love.
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Posted 26/12/2017 20:28
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What did King do? Haven't watched it back yet.
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Posted 26/12/2017 21:46
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redharry - 26/12/2017 20:02

from behind the goal I didnt think he had touched it and assumed the ref overruled the lino on an interfering with play issue. Certainly thought we should have had a pen for hand ball at one stage.


I was watching a stream with foreign commentry and also assumed it was a 'not interfering with play' decision for offside..... He was clearly offside on the replay I saw and in slow motion it clearly hit his arm.
I thought Francis was watching the ball and didn't see the player.... His foot was high though and I agree on another day it could have been a red.
Didn't see the King incident mentioned.
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Posted 26/12/2017 21:53
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From behind the goal in the NS I assumed the decision was over offside / interfering with play. May have been offside but the ball never touched him so adjusted not interfering with play. As so far as I could tell the ball didn't touch whoever was nearest the line. So that was my conclusion. But the NS was hectic to say the least so it's entirely possible I missed something.

Handball didn't even cross my mind, didn't look anywhere near it from my view? Will watch MOTD with interest when possible.

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Posted 26/12/2017 21:59
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Oh well, despite all the discussion it'll say 3-3 in the record books. Personally didnt think Franno's was a red, no intention. Thought we deserved a penalty from at least one of the 3 good shouts we had.
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Posted 26/12/2017 22:02
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Yellow was perfect for Franno. Ball was there and two commited players went for it. Sometimes someone gets hurt. Franno wasn't overly high with his boot.

Nasty wack for the Hammers lad, but your not telling me, roles reversed one of theirs pulls out of that to save a wack to one of ours.

Foul sure, give a yellow, but straight reds are for when malice is involved.

One of the handball shouts looked pretty clear cut. Without the arm diverting the ball away whilst on the floor, our midfielder gets through on goal. The other shouts were half hearted at best.


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Posted 26/12/2017 23:48
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King 'incident' was him throwing his arms in frustration, no deliberate strike at the player. Not aware of him being there.

Callum touched it and was just offside. But hard to call with replays, ref made a judgement call. Good to see a conversation about it though.
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Posted 26/12/2017 23:52
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so on MOTD Callum might have had the toes of one foot an inch offside, very conclusive.....
As for handball it looked like it may have touched hhis head then flicked his arm. Was it going in anyway? Who would be a ref eh.
It would have been a travesty if we had lost.
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Posted 27/12/2017 00:03
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fritter - 26/12/2017 23:48

King 'incident' was him throwing his arms in frustration, no deliberate strike at the player. Not aware of him being there.
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Hopefully the media mafia don't turn this into another Mings-gate...
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Posted 27/12/2017 00:19
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Wilson should not claim the the goal. It should
Be Ake’s 2nd! No prob ref I never touched it!
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Posted 27/12/2017 00:19
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Wilson should not claim the the goal. It should
Be Ake’s 2nd! No prob ref I never touched it!
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Posted 27/12/2017 00:39
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As far as the Francis high foot is concerned, from where I was sitting, it was an accident. Francis didn't see the West Ham guy approaching, the foot was high and the guy ran into it, yellow card, fair result.
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Posted 27/12/2017 00:48
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Redpost - 27/12/2017 00:39

As far as the Francis high foot is concerned, from where I was sitting, it was an accident. Francis didn't see the West Ham guy approaching, the foot was high and the guy ran into it, yellow card, fair result.


Yellow card was unfair IMO, no problem with it being a free kick because their guy did legitimately get a hit (unlike the comical face clutching with the King non-incident)

As for the original question I've seen a number of replays but I haven't seen an angle where you can see the ball change direction or really anything that shows contact between Wilson and the ball.
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Posted 27/12/2017 01:26
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Not sure what replays some are looking at but it clearly hits arm and changes direction.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12vimGcu5T3gSIJbQtAZtGSITuICz4H4u/vi...
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Posted 27/12/2017 01:43
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Not sure what replays some are looking at but it clearly hits arm and changes direction.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12vimGcu5T3gSIJbQtAZtGSITuICz4H4u/vi...

not sure the word clearly is appropriate. the last of the 3 views suggest it brushed his head and missed his arm. the other 2 angles show nothing imo. who would be a ref with one view........
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Posted 27/12/2017 02:19
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Yeh clearly is not the right word in regards to hitting his arm but I reckon it did change direction. I would like to see all 3 put together side by side as I think you might be correct in saying it may have glanced his head.
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Posted 27/12/2017 05:11
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...at the end of the day....we got away with one there....makes up for the Smith penno v Scummers...

Moyes should button it....his team were second best on the day anyway!
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Posted 27/12/2017 07:19
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NWCherries98 - 26/12/2017 20:21

Francis shouldn't have been sent off, not his fault the West Ham player stuck his head there; he only had eyes on the ball.


Disagree with this strongly. His foot was very high. He needs to be sure it is safe to raise his foot before doing so. If in doubt he shouldn't make the challenge. It was very dangerous and a definite red for me.


So you'd have been happy if Franno had stood there and did a full Health and Safety check before he went for the ball? Meanwhile the WH player gets the ball and you're all on about how cr*p Franno is!
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Posted 27/12/2017 08:11
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There are more important things in life than football. I'd rather our players didn't kick people in the head to stop them getting the ball, accidental or not.
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